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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Prof Levine had made the following point: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>></span></font>But I think that
you have missed the point I tried to make. Surely you will agree that if
someone were to light candles before plag Ha Mincha with a tenai and then drive
for 2 hours to get to shul, that this is nothing. One cannot light candles
before plag for Shabbos or Yom Tov.<br>
<br>
<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>></span></font>It seems to me that
according to the Netziv who holds that there is no Tosefos Yom Tov for
Shavuous, lighting candles before Tzeis is the same as lighting them <font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>></span></font>before plag. This was my
point. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>>>The reasoning is simple, the bracha
over the ner is a birchat mitzvah, there is an issue whether the person who
lights is mekabel shabbos with the bracha or not. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>></span></font>But it seems to me
that there is no mitzvah to fulfill Erev Shavuous before Tzais according to the
Netziv, since Shavuous does not begin until Tzeis.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal></x-sigsep><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Indeed missed your point.
And yet, even the natziv who says there is no tosefet yom tov on Shavuot, may
well admit that one could still be mekayim kavod yom tov from plag hamincha. It
has to do with the relationship between night and a calendar date and is dealt
with by with some acharonim on the issue of tosefet yom tov on pesach (tosphot
pesahim 99b). Some of them a mechalek between a calendar date and nite. As far
as nite is concerned, I could see that from plag hamincha although the calendar
date hasn’t arrived yet. Again I don’t have the sources on hand and would only
be able to give further details next week after looking up my notes. In any
case, the article I just sent you deals with the natziv’s views about lighting
candles earlier on yom tov and how that fits in with shavu’ot. Even the natziv
would admit that melacha is prohibited from shkiyah, because safek Leila, and
yet can’t say Kiddush. From that point I certainly light candles lechvod yom
tov. And I contend even earlier, for although it’s not Shavuot, it still can be
nite from plag hamincha. That may be the reasoning for those who say I can
daven arvit earlier, but can’t say Kiddush until zeit. Arvit is a din in Leila,
which may start with plag. Kiddush is a din in yom tov and for that I need
etzem hayom hazeh. Lechvod yom tov I can light from when it could halakhicly be
nite, i.e. plag.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shabbat shalom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shlomo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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