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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I remember hearing while studying at yu (I
think in the name of the Rav, and I hope someone can confirm this), that while
there was a minhag for women to bench licht just before Kiddush to demonstrate
that ha’avarat eish is permitted on Yom Tov, it was better to light before yom
tov, in accordance with rambam, hil. Yom tov, 6:16 that just like on shabbos
there is a din of kavod, so too on yom tov there is a din of kavod. In hil. Shabbos
30:5 rambam says that part of kavod shabbos is to have a ner daluk before
shabbos, and thus one should light candles before the onset of yom tov, lechvod
yom tov, just like his table set, he is washed and decked out. This year
before yom tov I heard a shiur from a grandson of rav Elyashiv (sorry no video
on this) who said the same thing in the name of his grandfather, and thus out
of kavod yom tov one should bench licht early, before nightfall, and then of
course wait for at least Kiddush until after zeit…. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And for those who have a feminist trend
among you, see the introduction of the preesha who brings from his mother, the wife
of the semah and pressha and dreesha, that a woman should light the yom tov
candles before nightfall and not at night, and she labeled the custom of
lighting before Kiddush a minhag ta’ut. Her son concurred with this pesak, and
we have shown so do gedolei hora’ah of this generation. Further on yom tov
candles see aruch hashulchan 514:17 how they should be lit, and a general summary
of the shitot, R.Ovadya Yosef, yechaveh da’at 1:28 (beat you to it, rabbanit c.
Luntz </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>). Hope this has been illuminating to you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kol tuv<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shlomo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=HE dir=RTL
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>îàú</span></font></b><span
dir=LTR></span><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'><span dir=LTR></span>:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Prof.
Levine [mailto:llevine@stevens.edu] <br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>ðùìç</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:29 PM<br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>àì</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">avodah@lists.aishdas.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>òåú÷</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> Shlomo Pick<br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>ðåùà</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> further on Temimos</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At 10:18 AM 6/4/2009, R. S. Pick wrote:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>true for temimos, but according to the Natziv the real reason for
delaying maariv on Shavuot is because the verse states beEtzem hayom hazeh
which negates tosefet yom tov for Shavuot and thus there would be no difference
between the two days in the Diaspora.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><br>
This brings to mind a question that occurred to me a couple of days ago. If we
are concerned about Temimos, then should we not insist that women wait until
Tzeis (when the first day of Shavuous is not on Shabbos) to bentch licht?
Yet I have never heard of anyone saying such a thing. Indeed, all of the
calenders that I have ever seen give the standard time for candle lighting (18
minutes before Shkia). True, a women could wait to light until after Tzeis, but
many do not. If we are so concerned about Temimos, then why aren't women told
to wait until after Tzeis to light. <br>
<br>
Now what you say about the Netziv adds to my question. If there is no Tosefos
Yom Tov for Shavuous, then how can women light candles before Tzeis? Is
lighting before Tzeis even valid? <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p></x-sigsep><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yitzchok
Levine<br>
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