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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I see that being in nyc you are unfamiliar
with the concept of tnai and hadlakat neriot. Anyone having a half an hour to
an hour walk to shul, will light candles on yom kippur eve at home, make a stipulation
not to be accept yom tov, and drive to shul to save an hour trip. See SA, OH,
263:10. for further elucidations, see aruch hashulchan. See also shmiras
shabbos kehilchasa in the second volume and who notes in the name of R. Shlomo
Zalman zt”l, that in the case of tenai, the woman should NOT say shehechayanu
for then the tnai will not help. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reasoning is simple, the bracha over
the ner is a birchat mitzvah, there is an issue whether the person who lights
is mekabel shabbos with the bracha or not. Therefore, in any case, if a tenai
is made, the bracha is over the mitzvah without kabbolos shabbos/yom tov. If you
say shehechayanu, so you have accepted yom tov otherwise you wouldn’t have made
the bracha over the time of yom tov and so the tnai no longer helps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thus for those who drive to shul erev yom
kippur after having lit candles, the shehechayanu is not said, but in shul with
everyone else. [I have a different problem – I have to remind my wife who has
lit erev yom kippur with the shehechaynu, NOT to repeat it in shul with the
zibber, for then it would be a bracha levatalah – she has already recited it!].<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope this clarifies the principle. I presume
I will get a lot of flack whether one should use a tnai or not, but I would
appear that lezorach it can be used. To make the fast easier and saving
strength would be lezorach. Perhaps to be mekayam the shitat haNatziv would
also be lezorach. For further details, I gave the sources above with shmirat
shabbos bringing most of them, including whether a tnai can be made and then
driving to the kotel for kabbolas shabbos, see shemiras shabbos 23:24 and
notes. For the kossel issue, see also the resposum by r. gedalyah oberlander,
or yisral (monsey), 12 (5758), pp. 127 ff. (for a very stringent view –
courtesy of the Kotar project, I hope you realize what a resource this is).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shabbat shalom without any tenaim at all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shlomo <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=HE dir=RTL
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>îàú</span></font></b><span
dir=LTR></span><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'><span dir=LTR></span>:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Prof.
Levine [mailto:llevine@stevens.edu] <br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>ðùìç</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:04 PM<br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>àì</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> Shlomo Pick; 'Prof. Levine'<br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>òåú÷</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">avodah@aishdas.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-weight:bold'>ðåùà</span><span dir=LTR></span><span
dir=LTR></span>:</b> further on Temimos</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At 02:52 PM 6/4/2009, Shlomo Pick wrote:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Your question is excellent, and prima
facie, it would appear that a woman should not light earlier on erev shavu’ot
according to the Natziv. And yet what about kavod yom tov mentioned in my
last posting? It could very be that the natziv will not work out with
this rambam and the posekim who say women should light earlier, for they may
have other reasons for making arvit later, like temeemos (see below on that).
Nevertheless, I would offer the following solution – she should to light with a
bracha early for the kiyyum kavod yom tov, but make a tenai (stipulation) that
she is not accepting yom tov yet. That would satisfy both requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><br>
I may be on shaky ground here, but it seems to me that according to the Netziv
a women would not be able to light with such a stipulation. Would it not be a
bracha l'vatalah? After all, according to him, since one cannot make
early Yom Tov, it is similar to a woman lighting before plag, is it not? <br>
<br>
YL </span></font><br>
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