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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>[I]t has been my understanding (Although I can not cite a specific mekor)
that the understanding by a Novi of his Nevuha is in fact infallible. The
infallibility stems from the infallibility of Hashem to communicate the exact
message he wishes to impart to the Novi, not metsad the Novi himself.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RDR then wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>See Daniel 12:8, Rashi and Ibn Ezra ad. loc</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Daniel is not a problem for two reasons: 1)
According to Rashi, Megila 14a and gemara 3a, Daniel was not a Novi. (Although
one could understand Rashi as meaning he was a Novi but one without a shlichus
to give over his nevuoh to Yisroel and thus not among the 48 and of lesser
stature than the 3, Ch. Z. & M).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) Even if he is counted among the Neviim, there is
no problem. His not understanding this aspect of his vision is an aspect of the
clarity of the vision as with all Neviim and their various levels of Nevuah (but
Moshe Rabbeinu av l'neviim) that were b'aspaklaria sh'eina meira. This aspect of
Nevuah is not a stira to infallibility of the Nevuah. The message Hashem wants
to impart ( at the level of clarity he desires) gets through to the Novi, even
if not all the mesholim and chidos are fully understood. But the Novi realizes
what remains unclear or a moshol and does not incorrectly misinterpret milibo
visions or mosholim that were fuzzy to him, they remain as the mosholim he saw,
but no incorrect message or translation is transmitted. The bottom line -- the
message may be fuzzy and in parts remain as mosholim and chidos not
fully understood, but the message that Hashem wants to impart gets through
infallibly and no incorrect message is attributed to the not fully comprehended
parts of the nevuoh.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RDE quotes sefer Haiikarim:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the quote can be understood in the light of
what I wrote above. The opening line, "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>though that all the words of the <BR>prophets are true with out any
doubt" is essentially the infallibility aspect of the Nevuoh, the balance of the
quote explains the various levels of the "aspaklaria sh'eina meira." At least
that's how I understand it.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RYZ quotes Rambam Yisodei Torah 7:1-3:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM comments:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the key phrases wrt to this thread are in
halchah 3: "... bemareh hanevuoh derech moshol modi'in lo, umiyad yechokek
belibo pisron hamoshol bemareh hanevuoh, veyodea ma hu." (i.e. the message meant
to be imparted is understood clearly infallibly). But each part of the mareh is
not necessarily part of the message and thus not necessarily completely
comprehended, thus, the Rambam states "... meihem omrim hamoshol upisrono ...
veyesh shehen omrim hapisron bilvad," but they NEVER give a pisron that is
contrary to the intended message.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RRRW wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>And so if I understand this correctly then we'd say:
Miriam=Aharon=Moshe<BR>regarding infallibility?<BR>And if not why not?</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not at all. Moshe was b'aspaklaria hameira while
Miriam and Aharon were not! The level of the clarity was not the same, the one
thing guaranteed of ALL neviim was that the message received was never a
MISINTERPRETATION by the Novi even if some aspects of the nevuoh remained
unclear or not fully understood i.e. in the original form of the mareh,
moshol or chido at various levels of clarity - more for some, less for
others, but NEVER WRONG. The message Hashem wants to get through to the novi -
does.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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