<html>
<body>
<font size=3>At 11:25 PM 5/25/2009, T613K@aol.com wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">If the evening kiddush and
se'udah are going to start at 9:30 or 10:00, people should eat a light
meal around six o'clock. The late se'udah at night does not have to
be a heavy meal and certainly does not have to be the only meal of the
day! Challah, a main course, a cup of tea and off to the bais
medrash to learn [for the menfolk and some of the liberated womenfolk],
or time to toddle off to bed [for the kidlets and old folks and the rest
of the womenfolk].</font></blockquote><br>
Off to bed for the womenfolk!!!! What happened to the time honored
custom of women staying up all night on the first night of Shavuous
baking various kinds of cheesecake? Has this important minhag
been lost in America? For shame! >:-}<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3> <br>
I don't know exactly why the question of the late meal is coming up now,
anyway. Doesn't practically everybody end up eating quite a late
meal at the seder? Especially in a year like this when it was
already daylight savings time at least in the US? What's the big
deal?</font></blockquote><br>
When it comes to the seder, there is absolutely no way that one can start
it early. One must make Kiddush after Tzeis so that one has Arba Kosos at
the seder. However, when it comes to Shavuous, there are opinions
that allow one to make Kiddush early. Please see <font size=3>the
selections I have posted at
<a href="http://personal.stevens.edu/~llevine/maariv_on_shavuous.pdf" eudora="autourl">
http://personal.stevens.edu/~llevine/maariv_on_shavuous.pdf</a>
taken from the sefer <i>Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz</i>, volume 4, by Rabbi
Benyamin Shlomo Hamburger. <br><br>
Also, Tzeis on Shavuous is later than on Pesach. <br>
</font> <br>
<font size=3>YL</font></body>
<br>
</html>