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size=2>From: Simon Montagu <A
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size=2>>>RSBA reminded me in an Areivim thread that the Targumim are
from<BR>Sinai. This surprised me at first, because my memory was that at
most<BR>they are described as "beRuahh hakodesh", but I was wrong: the Taz
on<BR>SA OH 285 SK 2 explicitly says "hatargum yesh lo ma`ala
she-nittan<BR>besinai". <BR><BR>....How can this be reconciled with the gemara
in Megilla? I can<BR>imagine one possibility: the targum was given as part of
TBSP and<BR>Onkelos was the first to write it down....</FONT></DIV><FONT
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size=2>>>>>><BR>I would like further clarification on this point,
too, but this is what I think it means: not that the actual Aramaic words
used by Onkelos were given on Sinai together with the Torah [who even spoke
Aramaic back then? Why would Hebrew-speaking Israelites need a translation
in a language they did not even speak?] BUT that the correct understanding and
interpretation of the words of the Torah Shebichsav were transmitted orally
along with the Torah Shebichsav -- for example, that the shoresh p-k-d means "to
count" in Bamidbar 1:49 ("Don't count the tribe of Levi with the rest of B'Y")
but means "to appoint" in Bamidbar 1:50 ("Appoint the Levi'im to their jobs in
the Mishkan.")</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>When the Taz says that the Targum was given on Sinai, does he necessarily
mean that it was given /in Aramaic/? Onkelos wrote the correct
interpretation and understanding of the Hebrew words using the language current
among the Jews of his day, but the interpretation and understanding were the
same as what had been transmitted through the doros down from Sinai.
That's just what seems reasonable to me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>--Toby Katz</DIV>
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