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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't see in Rav Moshe's tsheuva (<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>EH IV:59) that he is talking about Israelis. It
seems clear to me that he talking about Americans as the case is about some
couple who got married by a Reform rabbi and divorced in a civil court. That
doesn't happen here. Secondly, where do secular people see Shomrei Torah and
Mitzvot in any way that makes a difference? They see some guy at work with a
kippa who goes to Mincha for 10 minutes? There is a debate going on in the list
about the value of teaching Torah if the purpose is not kiruv. What value is
there in "seeing many Shomrei Torah and Mitzvos"?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ben</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=beck072@gmail.com
href="mailto:beck072@gmail.com">Doron Beckerman</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>They are not Tinokos Shenishbu because, to quote RMF in Even
HaEzer:</DIV>
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<DIV>"They (Reform) are not at all to be considered Tinokos Shenishbu since
they see many Shomrei Torah and Mitzvos, and see also Radbaz that there is
almost no such a thing"</DIV>
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