<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">RSP replied:</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">> </font><font size=2 face="Arial">if
anyone washes his hand after the meal for whatever reason, especially if
he feels that his hands are greasy, then tur and the mechaber all state
that he is obligated in mayim acharonim</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">
<</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">I think one needs to add
the word "regularly" before "washes." So, how
many of us regularly wash our hands after eating a meal?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">> </font><font size=3>oh,
i know what the darkei moshe wrote, and is found at the end of the darkei
moshe ha'aruch on the siman. but just as he reacted to the BY in
the darchei moshe and explicity stated that the minhag is like tosophot,
why didn't he do that in the SA? and that brings us to the issue
of retraction. is his silence a retraction or not?</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">
<</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">Perhaps someone with more
knowledge of the subject can enlighten us on whether an argument from silence
(in this case, the lack of a "hagahah" by RMA upon SA OC 181
when he explicitly commented upon what the BY wrote) is valid, here or,
indeed, anywhere except when you witness the sh'siqah of a Rav and can
truly say k'hoda'ah damya.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">>></font><font size=3>>
Finally the great forerunner of all minhag ashkenaz, the maharil, also
obligated mayim acharonim, see spitzer ed., p. 117, no. 41, and especially
note heh. <</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana"><<</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">>> </font><font size=3>Could
I bother you to quote the phraseology verbatim? Online, the words of the
Lublin 1590 edition (</font><a href=http://hebrewbooks.org/11762><font size=3 color=blue><u>http://hebrewbooks.org/11762</u></font></a><font size=3>
-- see pp.160-161) don't tell me anything about a mandate for mayim acharonim
but rather seem to relate to explaining an "over la'asiyasan"
question brought by Tos'fos. Thanks. </font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana"><<</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">> </font><font size=2 face="Arial">see
further post with attachment</font><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">
<</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">Thanks for sending me a scan
of a seifer listing "seider haHagadah." I would agree that
the language of #41 (and of #40) tells us that mayim acharonim was perforce
done by at least the "m'vareich" of Bircas haMazon (the one we
would nowadays call the "leader" of BhM) after the eating of
the afiqoman and that Shinui Nuschaos 41:5 adds (I don't know whether this
is an actual nusach in a copy of Seifer MaHaRYL or comes from the author
of SN, and the nafka mina is crucial!), "achein MaHaRYL, b'chal pa'am
shenatal yadav, amar lab'churim [v'ham'subin] gam-kein litol." I've
previously seen MaHaRYL misquoted (e.g. re whether a bachur should not
wear a talis until he's married), so I would very much like to know if
that "achein" can be sourced. Also, note the subfootnote
5, which elucidates, "Lichora, haMaHaRaSH s'vira leih...d'mayim acharonim
tiqnu lim'vareich l'fi shemazkir es haSheim...ush'ar m'subin hu raq mip'nei
hasakanah, v'savar haMaHaRaSH d'hayom ein sakanah v'lachein ein tzrichim
litol y'deihem k'lal, v'chein heivi deiah zu b'Seifer haMinhagim 'Leil
haSeider' 53:1." The bottom line seems to be that mayim acharonim
was l'chat'chilah done at the table of MaHaRYL at least during leil haSeider
by at least whomever would actually be saying BhM.</font>
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<br><font size=3 color=#000080 face="Verdana">All the best from</font>
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