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<DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>I am aware of many of these sources but sources alone do not make halacha -- lomudt does. <BR>It might be useful for the Israeli religious community to understand what behavior is mandated</DIV>
<DIV>by halacha (e.g., separation) and what is aggadic. For example, I don't think the Rambam</DIV>
<DIV>paskens that women cannot participate in a funeral. I realize that some religious trends</DIV>
<DIV>do not want to differentiate between halacha and aggada-kabbala, but it is worth reminding</DIV>
<DIV>the community that there are trends that do differentiate. The particular incident that I read</DIV>
<DIV>about (referenced in my email below) was particularly bothersome and in my opinion lead to</DIV>
<DIV>a chilul hashem.</DIV>
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<BR><BR>>>> Esther and Aryeh Frimer <frimera@zahav.net.il> 3/29/2009 12:49 AM >>><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"> The prohibition of Women at the Beit haKevarot during a funeral is based on the Zohar VaYakhel sec. 196 (haSatan merakeid...). Shulkhan Arukh Y.D. sec. 359, seif 1 indicates that there are different mihagim about women coming to a funeral; and in seif 2 (based on the above Zohar) writes that one should be careful that women should not come particpate in the fumeral; Shach ad loc. subsec. 2. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"> The many communities throughout the world who are Meikel, Rely on the Resp. Beit Lehem Yehuda, sec. 359 - particularly if men and women remain separated. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"> The issue is Discussed in Pnei Barukh Chap. 5, Parag. 10, note 32. See also Resp. Mareh haBazak II:94 and III:73. For a discussion of the Resp. material, s</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">ee at length the excellent review (in Hebrew) of R. Mordechai Avadiel: </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A href="http://upload.kipa.co.il/media-upload/kulech/kulech6581.DOC" target=_blank><SPAN dir=ltr><FONT size=3>http://upload.kipa.co.il/media-upload/kulech/kulech6581.DOC</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=HE style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'David Transparent'"><O:P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> The issue of a woman giving a hesped, is related to the above as well as to tsniut considerations/sensitivities. I remind everyone of the furor when Rav Mordechai Eliyahu objected to a woman giving a shiur in front of men. The above Zohar seems to maintain that there is a particular problem of Hirhur at a funeral. </FONT></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=HE style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'David Transparent'"><O:P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> Many stringent Hevra Kadishot will permit women to eulogise after they have left [ - what you do when they are not around is not their responsibility].</FONT> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=HE style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'David Transparent'"><O:P><FONT face="TopType Soncino" size=3>--------------------------------------------------------<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dr. Aryeh A. Frimer<BR>Chemistry Dept., Bar-Ilan University<BR>Ramat Gan 52900, ISRAEL<BR>E-mail: </FONT></FONT><A href="mailto:FrimeA@mail.biu.ac.il"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>FrimeA@mail.biu.ac.il</FONT></A><BR>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=eliturkel@gmail.com href="mailto:eliturkel@gmail.com">Eli Turkel</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=avodah@aishdas.org href="mailto:avodah@aishdas.org">avodah</A> ; <A title=frimera@zahav.net.il href="mailto:frimera@zahav.net.il">Aryeh Frimer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> women at a funeral</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>see<BR><BR><A href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3693161,00.html">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3693161,00.html</A><BR><BR>is there any halacha (not minhag) against women speaking at a funeral?<BR>In other places I have seen it<BR><BR>-- <BR>Eli Turkel<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>