<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Zev Sero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>
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I think this is another perfect mis-understanding.<br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> But had they consuled <a href="http://SNOPES.COM" target="_blank">SNOPES.COM</a> <<a href="http://SNOPES.COM" target="_blank">http://SNOPES.COM</a>> as you did it is obviously false - a pashut Kal vachomer from tisha b'av.<br>
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Tish'a B'av doesn't have a "b'etzem hayom hazeh".<br><font color="#888888">
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Zev Sero </font></blockquote></div><br><ol><li>See Tur Orach Chaim 550 [even 10 Teves is NOT observed on Shabbos but is deferred].] <br></li><li>See BY 3 in the new edition of Tur.</li><ol><li>See BY's quote of Rashi whic h h e pretty much uses Tisha B'av as kal vachomer to the other Ta'[aniyos [as I did above]</li>
</ol><li>See BY's rejection of Abudarham's Be'etzem "v'lot yadati minayin lo ze.</li><li>Se The By's point re: Friday re: 10 Teves making it unique [as I already pointed out.]</li></ol>Re: how late one fast see:<br>
<ol><li> Tur 662,</li><li> BY sham [see quote of Smak] <br>AhS who asserts that ANY fast is only until sundown [citing a Ran and others] when it is not even Erev Shabbos involved.</li></ol>WADR to Abudarham, the other fasts are mei'ikar hadin only optoinal next to Tisha B'av. [see tur Orach Chaim 550 & 551] <br>
<br>550: Vhoidna ratzu lehisanos...<br>551: Tishab Ba'v ein BD yachol levatlo [mashma the others YES] <br><br>The aforemntioned K"vCh is indeed a slamdunk for virtually every poseik aside from Abudarham perhaps. <br>
<br><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv - Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br><br>