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<DIV>--- On <B>Wed, 1/7/09, Moshe Y. Gluck <I><<SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1231512344_0 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">mgluck@gmail.com</SPAN>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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I am not sure about that. But even if he's right there would have to be
several conditions attached. The couple would have to commit to living a
Halachic lifestyle. Admitting that they are attracted to members of the same sex
is not a sin. Only acting on it is. And there is no sin in two males or two
females living in the same house and sleeping in the same bedroom at night.
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Not so (at least regarding males). See EH 24:1 and the Chelkas Mechokeik and
Beis Shmuel there.
Just looked at it. IIUC both Nosei Kelim you mention there say that in the Mechaber's country prominscuity in MZ was common and therefore people should distance themselves from Yichud - as The Mechaber states. But in their countries - which I assume means <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1231512344_4>Europe</SPAN> - it is only a Midas Chasidus - a meritorious practice and not a requirement. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just looked at it. IIUC both Nosei Kelim you mentioned say that in the Mechaber's country - promiscuity in MZ was common and therefore people should distance themselves from Yichud - as the Mechaber states. But in their countries - which I assume means </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Europe</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - it is only a Midas Chasidus - a meritorious practice and not a requirement. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OTOH if they are single it is Assur for them to sleep in the same <STRONG>bed</STRONG> together.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do not see this as definitive halacha forbidding two men sleeping in the same <STRONG>room</STRONG>. As the Mechaber points out at the very beginning of the Siman - Jews (i.e. males in the context of this Halacha) are not suspected of MZ so Yichud is not Assur for them. One can possibly say that religious Jews are not suspected of MZ. IOW even if they are gay - they will abstain.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I will admit that if two men are attracted sexually to each other then it is at least common sense not sleep in the same bedroom together. Ein Apitropus L'Arayos. But Halacha L¢Maaseh? I¢m not so sure.</SPAN></DIV>
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