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size=2>>>They believed Yosef was a major sinner (mored bemalchus -- if
Yakov is a<BR>>>melech -- plotting to usurp his father's and brothers'
place -- re his dream<BR>>>of his father and brothers bowing to him -- OR
-- eating ever min hachai --<BR>>>OR -- other?). To smile at a
sinner and pretend everything's fine is not<BR>>>darkei sholom but
hypocrisy. (Maybe we should learn from the brothers
that<BR>>>chanifa to non-O rabbis is not the right thing to do.)
[--TK]<BR><BR><BR>---------<BR><BR><BR>>> This is probably
correct.<BR><BR><BR><BR>However, accordingly it means that Y and his bros had
discussed and debated<BR>this and weighed the options, otherwise it is just the
musings of a group of<BR>well meaning but misdirected individuals....
<BR><BR>They were making decisions of such weight defending Yaakov when Y had
not<BR>even been consulted or informed?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>...Was Yaakov part of
those deliberations?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>....BTW I do not know why you restrict
the issues of Chunfa to nonO rabbis.<BR>.... Am I permitted<BR>to greet
someone who has insulted a fellow J and has refused to gain the<BR>victim's
forgiveness? Am I permitted to attend a testimonial dinner to<BR>honour someone
who has not dealt honestly with business associates or<BR>rivals?....
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<DIV>Did the brothers make up a beis din and discuss and weigh Yosef's
"rebellion" before sentencing him? I believe the Gemara says that's
exactly what they did. (Yakov was not part of their deliberations.)
Others on this list will probably be able to point to the exact Gemara,
UIAM.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for your observation that there are many kinds of sin besides being a
non-O rabbi, you are correct. At what point the sin becomes so great that
greeting that person is in effect condoning sin -- I guess that's a
judgment call.</DIV>
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<DIV>(PS. I notice that I made a mistake in speculating that the brothers
suspected Yosef of eating ever min hachai -- actually he suspected /them/ of
that sin and so reported it to their father)</DIV></DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><B>--Toby
Katz<BR>==========<BR></B></FONT><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV CLASS="aol_ad_footer" ID="b0dcbc03ed2558029511d371ee2a80d5"><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. <a href="http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025">Try it now</a>.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>