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size=2>From: "kennethgmiller@juno.com" <A
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MB 675:9 quotes the Olas Shmuel that "although by us, each one lights by
himself, nevertheless a woman does not have to light because they are merely
tafel to the men (havayan rak tefeilos la'anashim). If they want to light, they
do say the brachos, because it is like other mitzvos aseh shehazman grama that
they can say brachos on. When the man is not home, the woman should light,
because she *is* obligated, and *with* a bracha -- and not by having a child
light."<BR><BR><BR>....I find it particularly noteworthy that he invokes the
concept of "mitzvos aseh shehazman grama" and the (Ashkenazi) psak that women
*do* say the brachos on such mitzvos. This seems to contradict his own admission
that women *are* obligated on their own. <<</FONT></DIV><FONT
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<DIV><BR>Akiva Miller</DIV>
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<DIV>>>>><BR>He didn't say they are obligated "on their own" -- you
added those words. He just said women are obligated and are yotzei
with their husbands' lighting. It seems to me exactly the same as saying
kiddush on Shabbos. I don't see where your problem is or why you think
there is a contradiction in the MB. You created the contradiction by adding
the words "on their own." I guess you thought those words were implied
when he said "women are obligated" but that's not correct. A woman can
either be yotzei with her husband's kiddush on Shabbos or she can make her own
if she doesn't want to wait until he comes home from shul. The
facts that she is 1. obligated in kiddush and 2. yotzei with another person's
kiddush are not a contradiction.</DIV>
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<DIV>--Toby Katz</DIV>
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