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<DIV>In a message dated 12/16/2008, llevine@stevens.edu writes:</DIV>
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size=2>>>Being a Hirschian is much, much more than having a secular
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<DIV></DIV>>>>><BR>Yes, that is quite true.</DIV>
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<DIV>My point was that even though the charedi community may /consciously/
reject TIDE, it nevertheless incorporates many elements of TIDE without
acknowledging that it is doing so. It is completely impossible to live in
the modern world without at least some of the elements of TIDE, which is why
TIDE was not a hora'as sha'ah but the blueprint for an ideal Torah life, and
even if you want to insist that it /was/ a hora'as sha'ah, well, we are still
very much in that same sha'ah for which TIDE was and is a hora'ah. This is
certainly the case in America and is even the case in E'Y.</DIV>
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World Review* at <A
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