On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Ben Waxman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben1456@zahav.net.il">ben1456@zahav.net.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
One other point which is relevant: the Noda b'Yehuda wrote that the appearance of this phrase in siddurim was a new phenomena in his day. So while the source may be much older, according to this source it was never said until fairly recently.<br>
</blockquote></div><br>Not necessarily that it was never said, but rather that it was never included in the siddur. It may very well be (and I'm entirely speculating here) that before that time it was said by mekkubalim and other people in the know, and only in the time of the NbY did it get included in the siddur, and thus spread beyond just the few and elite. If this is so, then it would seemingly support RMB's interpretation of the NbY's objection.<br>
<br>KT and GS,<br>Michael<br>