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size=2>From: Micha Berger <A
href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</A><BR><BR><BR>So far they
match. Now, what as I can only see as apologetics for the<BR>laaz speaking
audience:<BR>> It should be noted that among the [umos ha'olam] there are
also to<BR>> be found those whose souls are derived from kelipat nogah.33
Called<BR>> "[chassidei umos ha'olam]," these righteous individuals are
benevolent<BR>> not out of selfish motives but out of a genuine concern for
their fellow.<BR><BR>[snip]<BR>One distinction one /could/ make, although the
Tanya does not the door is<BR>open for it, is not between chassidei umos ha'olam
and other nachriim, but<BR>between geirei toshav and other nachriim.
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size=2>But then, anyone who believes that nachriim are inherently
structurally<BR>different rather than believing the differences are caused by
differences<BR>in roles, already believes that geirei *tzedeq* undergo
structural<BR>changes. Why not geirei toshav too?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>This seems to me to be related to the concurrent "bechira" thread now
running on Avodah. If some goyim are simply born with different
souls than others, and the ones with the better souls are the tzaddikei umos
ha'olam, then it seems that they aren't righteous because of the way they
exercise their free will but just because they're born that way. Free will
doesn't seem to come into it.</DIV>
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<DIV>OTOH they /choose/ to be righteous and /then/ as a consequence or reward,
they are given "new and improved" souls, then the "better" goyim with the
"better" souls got their way by their own efforts, by the exercise of their free
will.</DIV>
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