<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Zev Sero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The problem with this is that mal'achim are not supposed to have<br>
bechira. Indeed, the definition of shituf is the belief that the<br>
powers above, such as the sun and moon or the mal'achim, have the<br>
bechira not to convey Hashem's blessings to us, and therefore have<br>
to be cajoled, or even bribed, in order to do so, just as is the<br>
case with a king's ministers and servants. </blockquote><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Zev, ditto.</blockquote>
</div><br>Actaulyl we debated this. There are those who say taht mal'achim do NOT lakc behira but lack a yetzer horo. So they have a choice, jsut that they will never do anything BAD or out of a sense of temptation. In fact we see the mal'achim beating Hashem re: the giving of thTorah nad the saving of Israel at the yam Suf. It is therefore not a lack of bechira but a lack of temptation that sets them apart. A Mal'ach might refuse to send a prayer out of asense of midas hadin jsut as Mal'achim opposed saving Israel [hallalu ovdei AZ v'chulei] E.G. it says that G-d does not hear th eprayer of someone wearing sha'atnexz, maybe this is the mal'ach's job is to block certain tefillos as passul. But HKBH's middas Harachahhmim can over-ride this at certain junctures.<br>
<br>So a Mal'ach can do not harm unless Hashem asks him to do harm, but a Mal'ach might have bechira within certain parameters of yetzer tov. <br><br>However, it can STILL be assur to adress a Mal'ach even so. machnisei Rachamim deals with this and see my apologetics for this point in my Avodah Post of year 2000 and re-posted to Nishmalbog recently.<br>
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