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<DIV><SPAN class=558320419-24092008><FONT face=Arial>While iiuc it's generally 
assumed that minhag hasochrim includes the sochrim of the broader society, I 
suppose it's obvious that generally accepted business principles would have a 
halachik impact where we are trying to understand the meeting of the 
minds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=558320419-24092008><FONT face=Arial>I found of interest the 
Prisha on the TUR Y"D 182 re haavarat sear.&nbsp; The Tur says that in a place 
where men generally do it "ein makkin oto"(me-strange language which sounds like 
assur but...but maybe that's his derech-I'm certainly no expert)&nbsp; In any 
event the Prisha says he means Non-Jews and we learn from them. Then he says 
"gam yesh lomar d'al yisrael kaamar".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=558320419-24092008><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=558320419-24092008><FONT face=Arial>Several questions - other 
than R'OY in his pants tshuva does anyone know of sources in non- monetary cases 
which specifically mention outer society as measure?&nbsp; was the prisha saying 
either/or?&nbsp; If it's not from the outside, how did malbush yisrtael get 
defined over the years?<BR><BR>KVCT<BR>Joel 
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