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<DIV>As we get stuck into our Selichos, I was wondering what listmembers do
about the selichos which involve petitioning things/entities other than G-d,
eg machnisei rachamim, the pizmon of the 13 middos, in which we petition the
middas horachamim of HKBH. This last, in particular, can't just be
silently skipped, because it is read allowed and is, for many, the highlight
of the selichos - I think Satmarers davka do tashlich on the day on which it
is read.<BR> <BR>I, on the one hand, have R. Toby Katz's accusation of
arrogance ringing in my ears. On the other hand, I have my Goldschmidt
edition of the selichos, which quotes both the Rambam and Ramban decrying the
practice of davening to angels, with the Ramban openly calling it avodah
zarah. Does minhag trump theology (assuming that you subscribe to that
particular theological view to start with)? <BR> <BR>I would
be interested to hear about listmembers' practices and
feelings.<BR> <BR>Kol tuv<BR>Dov Kay<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=836235714-24092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=3> I vacillate but do know that when I asked one rav ( a follower to
a large extent of the minhagei Hagra) he told me he didn't say it. Right now I
say it but have in mind I'm really asking hashem to have them to do their
jobs even while I don't really understand celestial mechanics (sort
of like saying each part of the machine should function
properly)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=836235714-24092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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