<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 13pt; ">The following are from several different sources and I’d be very interested to hear reactions.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 13pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">THE CHACHMEI HAKABALAH HAVE REVEALED THAT</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">BEFORE CHATZOS IT IS A TIME OF “DIN” AND IT</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">CAN BE EXTREMELY HARMFUL TO RECITE SELICHOS AT THAT TIME.</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">ONLY AFTER CHATZOS WHEN THE EIS RATZON BEGINS IS IT PROPER</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">TO SAY SELICHOS. THE MEKUBALIM TREATED THIS ISSUE VERY</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">SERIOUSLY AND WENT SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT ONE WHO FINDS</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">HIMSELF IN A SHUL, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE SAYING SELICHOS</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">BEFORE CHATZOS SHOULD RATHER SIT QUIETLY THAN RESPOND AND</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">PARTICIPATE IN THE SELICHOS. (SHAREI TESHUVAH, 581).</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><o:p><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></font></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">R’ MOSHE FEINSTEIN WHO RULED THAT IN A</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">SITUATION WHERE THE TZIBUR WOULD OTHERWISE NOT SAY</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">SELICHOS THEY MAY SAY SELICHOS BEFORE CHATZOS. RAV</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">MOSHE ADDS THAT THEY SHOULD HOWEVER SEEK TO RECTIFY THE</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">SITUATION.</span></font></span><span style="font-size: 13pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 13pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">The Shulchan Aruch as well as many of the Rishonim and Acahronim pasken that to say it before/earlier or later won’t do any harm but it might not be so effective…(that is the end of what Rav Moshe says in one of his teshuvas).<br><br>R'Ovadia Yosef takes this one step further and mentions that if the person cannot wait till after Chatzos or get up at Ashmores Haboker…then he should say Selichos at MINCHA!!! Because the time frame after Shkia thru Chatzos is not only NOT an Eis ratzon but rather you will get Hashem ANGRY. This is also based on divrei Kabbalah<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">The Rambam in Hilchos Teshuva (3:4) writes: “Umipnei Inyan Zeh Nohagu kol beis yisrael leharbos betzedakah…………Vnahagu Kulam <strong><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">Lakum Balailah</span></strong>Ulihispalel bvatei kenesiyos bdivrei tanchumim uvkivushin <strong><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">AD SHEYAOR HAYOM. Get up at night; conclude by daybreak.<o:p></o:p></span></strong></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Mangal; "><strong><span style="font-size: 12.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></strong></div></body></html>