<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM, David Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bdcohen613@gmail.com">bdcohen613@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>RMB wrote:</div>
<div> </div><br><div>Or, that giving significance to the evidence of minhag, or the<br>legislative weight of minhag, is part of that methodology. At per RRW<br>and my interminable debate.
<p>I believe that's what is happening with saying "LeDavid".</p>
<p>Tir'u baTov!<br>-Micha"</p></div>
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<div>Me: I am taking the "Rupture and Reconstruction" idea further, and saying that the loss of Torat Imecha works in only one direction, chumra. But lenient sources are ignored and Torat Imecha reigns supreme, because obviously the Gedolim know and rejected the lenient sources sub silentio. As I said, sounds result oriented.</div>
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<div>Shabbat shalom</div>
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<div>David I. Cohen</div></div>
<br></blockquote></div><br>Re: the legislative aspect of Minhag...<br><br><ol><li>AIUI the an aspect of textless Minhag is: Mimetic evidence of a p'sak whose source is lost<br> E.g. Not sitting in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres </li>
<li>The 2nd is when the macha RATIFY a p'sak<br>E.g. Kitniyyos [even thought some ba'alei Tosafos objected as a minhag Shtus]</li></ol> I am not sure if people can create a Minhag w/o a solid basis. See the AhS in Hilchos Megillah [passim] where he states that a Minhag w/o a Torah basis is not valid. <br>
<br><br>#! falls under the rubric of we know WHAT to do but not the why.<br><br><br>IMHO the haftara is read from the Side of the Bima in order to demonstrates its inferiority to the Torah reading<br><br>BUT<br>It gets morphed into a mis-understadning - and humra - in that now Yekum purkan and Ashrei fare from the side to honor the Torah so as not to put one's back to it. IOW the practice spread because of lack of knowledge re: the original intent of th author of the Minhag. This aspect AISI is a Minhag Ta'us.<br>
<br>Bottom line, Minhag to me is more or less like text, it MUST be respected and analyzed. <br>ust as TEXT can have a Ta'us Sofer so can a Minhag have a Ta'us.<br><br><br>-- <br>Kesiva vaChasima Tova<br>Best Wishes for the New Year 5769<br>
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