<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>--- On <B>Mon, 8/25/08, Chaim G Steinmetz <I><cgsteinmetz@juno.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV><BR>> From: Harry Maryles <hmaryles@yahoo.com>writes<BR><BR>>... Here's an idea. Let's make all these Russian immigrants Avodim.<BR>They<BR><BR>> can sell themselves into Avdus. The Government will have <BR>> pre-designated people to be their owners who will buy them with funds <BR>> awarded to them by the government.?<BR>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Those owners will then issue them a Shtar Shichrur and presto, they <BR>> will be Jews according to everyone. No Kabbalas Ol Mitzvos <BR>> required.<BR>> ?<BR>> HM<BR>> <BR><BR>Actually, an eved knani needs KOM of the mitzvos which he is obligated in<BR>- which are all the mitzvos a woman is obligated in.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I've heard that. But I haven't seen the SA. Does the SA or Nosei Kelim there mention KOM as a voluntary oblligation? What happens if he or she refuses? Do we let them go? </DIV>
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<DIV>If one captures a slave, is he not automatically given the status of a woman vis-a-vis Mitzvah obligation? This is what I aways assumed when learning those sugyos in the Gemarah dealing with Avosdim. </DIV>
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<DIV>I can't imagine first asking a slave if he will be Mekabel the Ol Mitzvos just before we capture him. I thought capturing him made him automatically obligated - whther he or she likes it or not.</DIV>
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<DIV>But since I am not familiar with Hilchos Avodim - and you seem to be... please enlighten.</DIV>
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