<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Michael ORR <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michaelorr@rogers.com">michaelorr@rogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3">-My observation has been that there is an emphasis on learning mitzvos bein adam lamakom, e.g. all Orach Chaim topics.<span> </span>Although in an important sense, the bein adam lamakom orientation is foundational, and so cannot be neglected, the paramount importance of addressing sinas chinam based on the above sources suggests to me that we are missing something fundamental.</font></span></div>
</blockquote><div><br><font style="font-family: garamond,serif;" size="4">I commented on this in a post reL a dispute between R. Hirsch and the Mishna Brurah.<br>It seems the MB advocated learni orach Chaim as "the ikkar"<br>
Rabbiner Hirsch lamented that people do NOT learn all 4 parts of the SA and they are therfore out-of-balance. <br><br>Several comments and caveats<br>Aisi TIDE [not quite like YU/TuM but similar] is opposed to the yeshivisher hashkafa of all academic Gmara learning w/o being a more balanced Mensch-Yisreol<br>
<br>The Kitsur SA DOES have many halachos fro mChM and Even Ho'zevr and a LOT of bein Adam lachveiro<br><br>To be VERY fair to the MB himself, his sefarim [viz. Chofetz Chaim and Shemiras Halashon, not to mention Ahavas Hessed] cover a LOT of bein adam lachavieroa. I will even posit that the Sefer Chofetz Chaim is an even better composed Halachic text than is the Sefer MB. </font><br>
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3">-The potential for overemphasis on bein adam lamakom mitzvos seems especially problematic when there is an emphasis on chumros, which tend to divide.<span> </span>The topic of chumros is complex though, since chumros can also be a way of achieving unity.<span> </span>For example, if one observes all the chumros of kashrus, anyone can eat at that person's house – though the down side is that they won't be able to eat at other's houses much unless they maintain different standards for eating out.<span> </span></font></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3"> </font></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3">-It seems to me that chumros bein adam lachavero are much less divisive, and in fact have a unifying force that chumros in conduct bein adam lamakom lack. <span> </span>In fact the kashrus example seems more an indication that there is a bein adam
lechavero aspect to kashrus rather than an illustration that chumros in mitzvos bein adam lamokom have a unifying force.<span> </span>The essence of accepting a chumra on oneself regarding bein adam lechavero conduct is to restrict oneself and in doing so to give more latitude to others.<span> </span>By contrast, accepting a chumra in conduct bein adam lemakom is either neutral with respect to one's expectation of others, or more demanding as one would implicitly tend to expect the same conduct of others. </font></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3"> </font></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3">-Of course it is important to approach this issue in a constructive and positive way that does not use it as a stick for beating other parts of the
community that may be seen as more blameworthy on this analysis.<span> </span>(See reference to Netziv in R. Willig's article.)</font></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3"></font></span> </div>
<font color="#888888"> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3">Michael Orr</font></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><font size="3"></font></span> </div>
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