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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The common thread between all the replies is that one hour of
not eating is not really fasting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I had thought of that answer but I find it to be incomplete. You
can’t have it both ways. Either it’s fasting, or it isn’t. If
it isn’t fasting, then there is no need to make a restriction on eating
and drinking during that time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> T613K@aol.com
[mailto:T613K@aol.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> avodah@lists.aishdas.org; stuart.feldhamer@gmail.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Tisha B'Av on Sunday <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>From: "Stuart Feldhamer" <a
href="mailto:stuart.feldhamer@gmail.com">stuart.feldhamer@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>>>The halacha is that the fast starts at shkiah. Why is it
that we're allowed<br>
to fast on Shabbos for 9 Av, especially when Shabbos is docheh 9 Av? Since<br>
Bein Hashmashot is a safeik, why don't we see safeik d'oraita l'chumrah in<br>
the case of oneg Shabbos, and safeik d'rabbanan l'hakeil in the case of<br>
Tisha B'av?<<<br>
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>>>>><br>
Once you have eaten anything that day, you are no longer fasting. My
husband always drinks some water Shabbos morning before going to shul,
in case he doesn't get around to kiddush before chatzos, so that he won't
be guilty of "fasting" on Shabbos.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Every time you go one hour without food -- especially when your
stomach is already full -- do you call that fasting?! But even if you
were actually hungry, it would not be called "fasting" if you had
eaten earlier that day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>--Toby Katz<br>
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