<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Gershon Dubin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gershon.dubin@juno.com">gershon.dubin@juno.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<p>From: "Eli Turkel" <<a href="mailto:eliturkel@gmail.com" target="_blank">eliturkel@gmail.com</a>> <br><<I joke that if the SA were written today it would have an introduction<br>that it is not le-halachah le-masseh >><br>
<br>No joke; it was meant for quick chazara. Halacha lema'aseh required the<br>Tur and Beis Yosef.<br><br><<Where did you get that from?>></p>
<p>In the hakdama to Shulchan Aruch he describes it as a quick reference, to be reviewed every 30 days. The inference is that deeper understanding, for nonstandard situations, remains with the Tur and Beis Yosef.<br><br>
Gershon<br><a href="mailto:gershon.dubin@juno.com" target="_blank">gershon.dubin@juno.com</a><br></p>
</blockquote></div>I more or less a gree but I would like to quibble.f<br><br>Everything above is true more or less but the SA was a book of peskkim. The idea of a separation of Halacha and peskakkim ws foudn amonst a nubmer of Rishonim including the Toras habayyis [oruch vs. katzar]<br>
<br>AISI there is a caveat The SA WAS meant to be used for bottom line p'sak PROVIDED thatthe Rav already understood the dispute and was MERELY looking for a decision. So in THAT case no other sefer was needed. This is tantamount to the Rav either<br>
<ol><li> having learned the Tur/BY already</li><li> or its equivalent<br></li></ol>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Tangent:<br><br> And indeed the SA was a review book so that everyone would be familiar with Halachah. As such it was intended as a TEXTBOOK for students - a lot like the KSA 300 years later - w/o any sources etc.<br>
<br>Obviously the SA morphed over time and the Be'er hagolah gave kemoros, as did his descendant the GRA.<br><br>I think the Levush could have won the day because he really set out to be mekztzer the BY but in a much more thorough way, thatn the SA did himself But the levush also omitted sources and also put in a lot of his own opinions w/o support [Rambam-like].<br>
<br>If you want to read a different Kitzur of the BY WITH sources and more Ashekanzically oriented I would suggest the new edition of the Darchei Moshe Ho'oruch. Imho it edges out the prisha as a quick commentary on the Tur allthough both bote together might serve as a good shorcut for the BY which can be daunting at times. <br>
<br>As I posted once, in my prep to teaching issur v'heter this year I did the following exercise:<br><br>I divided Issur V'heter by the tradtional 3 subjects<br><ol><li>Melicha</li><li>Bassar v'chalav</li><li>
Ta'aruvos</li></ol>Then I went throgh each Subject [Cheilek in the new Tur/SA] with each of the following Codes<br><ol><li>Tur</li><li>Sa/Rema</li><li>Levush<br></li></ol>I challenge anyone to do this on ANY topic. EG. try Hilchos RH. Go throuh the Tur, then the SA/Rema then the Levush and see what you know<br>
<br>for Review you can Try MB and/or AhS and see how much is added by doing the latest Acharonim.<br><br>If you really have a lot of time, insert SA harav and Cahyei Adam after l;evush and before AhS and MB. <br><br>If you omit MB, you will have read ONLY codes w/o commentaries. it has a different feel. You can do things in chunks or with taking breaks much easier than using a Code with A commentary. You also get the smoothness of a single author each time [except SA/Rema of course] <br>
<br>If you are the kind that compares notes between poskim then you have to juggel a lot. if you are a gestalt type, your subconsious will tkae care of that and you get the picture more by intuitve feel than by hard-core analysi of the details. <br>
<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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