<div dir="ltr"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Micha Berger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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2- Learning the product of someone else's creativity isn't the same as<br>
being creative. <br>
Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
</blockquote></div><br>Ein hachi nami. <br>Tangent:<br>One can make an argument that learning somone else's gmara [ie. the Bavli] is not being mekayem learning Talmud either. Read on....<br><br>Permit me to explain, aisi, learning Dar yomi beki'us style is probably a function of learning TSBP [iow Mishnah] but NOT Gmara, becuase one is really following the G'mara and not analyzing davar mitoch davar oneself.<br>
<br></div>I think this explains RYBS's opposition to Bek'ius. He felt it was not really learning. As I explain i,t is not mekayyem learning <i>"Gmara"</i> in the generic sense [of the Rambam]. However, I think that learning Mishna in gneral, and learning Gmara bek'ius style is still a wrothwhile endeavor, So here I part company with RYBS.<br>
<br>OTOH if there is one thing that RYBS taught me is that you can analyze ANY text. RYBS could analyze Kinnos and make a real Talmudic dialectic on 9 Av using the texts of Kallir. And he certainly could do the same with Humash and Rashi, etc. So applyingTalmudic learning is shayach with virtually ANY text. <br>
<br>E.G. AIUI, the Rav would analyze the Shulchan Aruch a lot like the Gmara would analyze the Mishna, etc. [Just as The BY himself did for the Tur.] <br><br>So the irony is, <br><ol><li>You could take a Mishna, analyze it in depth with peirushim,Tsoefta, svara, etc. and be mekaayyem Talmud, <br>
and <br></li><li>you could breeze through the Talmud and in effect be mekayyem learning Mishnah </li></ol>So it is not so much the text you learn, it is HOW your learn that text that effects the Kiyyum.<br clear="all"><br>
-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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