<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 4:49 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:T613K@aol.com">T613K@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>>>>>><br>Without getting into whether this would work
halachically, I would like to point out that if you are working on the
assumption that human nature has changed, I believe that assumption is
incorrect. For financial and social reasons, women find it easier to bail
out of a bad marriage than they used to, but you still find that a majority of
women would rather remain in an unhappy marriage, or stay with an abusive
boyfriend, rather than be alone. You see this every day, among both
Jewish and non-Jewish women. <font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial" lang="0"><b><br></b><br><b>--Toby
Katz<br>=============</b></font></div></font></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm not taking sides - accept to be open-minded to the possiblity of change. And I'm not saying R. Rackman has the facts. I am just saying he COULD construe the facts as having changed. <br>
</div></div><br>Or he could say that any woman protesting her fate vociferously is part of a minority that prefers isolation to suffering an abusive relationship.<br><br>Let's face it, we are not truly operating in the USA under the old Torah system. Kesubbos [afaik] * are not enforced and we rely upon dina demalchusa, etc.<br>
<br>* in Toronto I was a witness [for the BD] to several gittin and in every case the kessuba was torn up and not even used.<br><br>The point is taht RYBS said that tav lemseisav is an aboslute. WADR, I disagree.<br><br>The gmara talks about in the earlier generations "Yibbumists" were sincere but they aren't anymore. So we see that human motives are subject to change etc. EVEN within fundamental Talmudic law. <br>
<br>OTOH, I would agree that one is not REQUIRED to buy into R. Rackman's shita. But I think it is arguably as eilu v'eilu as anyone else. <br><br>There is a real problem. This is doucmented by Aaron Beck, PhD as "Emotional Reasoning" viz. "because we THINK it is true, there it IS true" That is an unhealthy view of reality [what he terms a dsfunctional thought] and can actiually be shown to be the root cause of a good deal of apthology. Just because in someone's humble opnion X is true is not a rational reason to IMPOSE that logic on others.<br>
And many people do - but more by force of personality than by rational persuasion.<br><br>Tanur Achinai teachs us a good lesson in lo saguru. Don't ever be intimidated by force of charisma, etc.never mind the force of "magic". <br>
<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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