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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RMB wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>And to
reiterate a point I couldn't "sell" in the past -- I think the<BR>overwhelming
majority of cases were resolved on this plane. Given the<BR>need to protect
society from murderers, and the difficulty in meting<BR>out dinei nefashos,
don't you think most murderers would end up in jail?<BR><BR>You only need 2
eidim for eidei qiyum (eg qiddishin), to outnumber the<BR>ba'al din in a CM case
(but the ba'al din can outtrump the eid echad<BR>with his own or with a
shavu'ah), or oneshim.<BR><BR>These are a minority of cases BD must face! (The
first category not<BR>even being a court case.) Do you think they did nothing?
Or do you think<BR>that if 5 women or evidence make it obvious the guy is really
a danger<BR>to society (or their property), the guy would be locked up?<BR><BR>I
would be shocked to think BD did not routinely protect society
this<BR>way.<BR><BR>Tir'u
baTov!<BR>-Micha</FONT><BR>-----------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See Sanhedrin 46a "shomati shebeis-din makin
ve'onshin shelo min haTorah ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and see also Rmb"m Hilchos Sanhedrin 24:4-10 based
on this gemara. This seems to be the source for extra-legal (extra-halachic)
powers of beis-din. So I guess that if the times required it, and five women
testified that someone is a danger to society, beis-din could do what they
deemed necessary (not to set a precedent, but only as a horoas shoa, as the
Rmb"m states in halocha 4).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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