<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
As for who Austritt would apply to today...<br>
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Who today threatens the integrity of the O message? It's certainly not C<br>
or R. They aren't trying to change us.<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
<font color="#888888">-Micha</font></blockquote></div><br>Certainly all O's from RWO to LWO [left Wing Orthodox] accept some restrictions on "legitmizing" R or C rabbis<br><br>Consider this<br><a href="http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/category.aspx?catid=98">http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/category.aspx?catid=98</a><br>
<br>My own LOR is lecturing at the JCC on the Palisades as follows<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><span id="ProgramContentDisplay"><div class="programcontent">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Rabbis Phillip I. Ackerman-Lieberman, Amy Bolton, Jeffrey S. Fox, Steve Golden, Debra Hachen and </font><font size="3">Lawrence</font><font size="3"> Rothwachs. </font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">The
Psalms express our deepest emotions, from great elation to ultimate
despair. They can lift us up in joy, or validate our sadness. They are
a key part of our liturgy, and our Shabbat and holiday celebrations. It
is the book we turn to when suffering illness, and for comfort when we
grieve. In this series, explore the themes of six different psalms as
they relate to our own emotional and spiritual lives. Learn with rabbis
of different denominations who serve throughout our community.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">July 8 - Rabbi Philip Ackerman-Lieberman - Psalm 27</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">July 15 - Rabbi Steve Golden - Psalm 16</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">July 22 - Raabbi Debra Hachen - Psalm 145</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">July 29 - Rabbi Amy Bolten - Psalm 19</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">August 5 - Rabbi Laurence Rothwachs - Psalm 91</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">August 12 - Rabbi Jeffrey Fox - Psalm 1</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Preregistration requested</p></div></span></blockquote><div><br>Does anyone fomr O C or R seriously believe that Rabbi Rothwachs, by participating in this series is conferring LEGITIMACY on the non-O Rabbis involved? anyone who knows Rabbi Rothwachs would know that he would be APPALLED by that notion!<br>
<br>Certainly Rabbi R would not allow a C or R rabbi and kibbudim in his shul and would not join together with any C or R rabbi in anyway that would mean a "joint" halachic act of any kind.<br><br>OTOH, joining in a series of lectures on Tehilllim does not confer legitmacy for their theological positions, perhaps some acknowledgment for their academic credcntials, but even that is debatable.<br>
<br>Whne Rabbiner Hirsh was around, R & C rabbis were Ortho trained, Austritt was NECESSARY in order to avoid confusion. There is no such circumstance today, e.g. you could add Catholic or Protestant theologian to this series and it would change little.<br>
==============================================================<br><br>One area that MIGHT be a legitimate point of contention is supporting Jewish Federations that support non-O functions. This is a serious issue and I do NOT take this lightly. My former LOR was a big proponent of UJC here in Bergen County, perhaps because the GOOD it did for Ortho yeshivos over-weighed the "bad" I don't know his cheshbon, but I can see a really good argument for boycotting ECONOMIC aid to non-O institutions.<br>
<br>But sharing a podium for things like Supporting Israel or something like what Soviert Jewry used to be [or Ethiopian Jewry is today?] to me is innocuous. <br> <br>=====================================================================<br>
<br>There are limited areas in which denominations MUST co-operate- Chaplaincy [hospital or military] is a case in point. <br><br>In Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck, the nuns often do things like shave the people in a coma. Should we deny both the patient and the nuns this act of Hessed lest someone construe them as "legitimate?"<br>
</div>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>
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