<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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So I reask, how do we know the gemara assumes an audience, rather than<br>
accusing the eid echad of speaking LH to the dayanim?<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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-</font></blockquote></div><br>Simple<br><ol><li>The judges are profesional skeptics. What they here they are NEVER allowed to believe until drish vachakira etc.<br></li><li>A Single witness [outside of mamanos] is guilty of LH/MSR and gets makaas mardus becuase he is saying ra but TO WHOM? <br>
</li><li>Therefore the testimony MUST be by implication heard by outsiders - otherwise no LH/ MSR is even shayach <br></li></ol>I am just showing the ath te Gmara assumed people would get a "kol" a
rumour if a witnessw testified. That is a presuppposition that seems
obvious,<br><br>If dayyanim make it a closed session, I don;t have a problem. I am only saying that:<br><ol><li>There MIGHT be bystanders or outsiders NOT</li><li>That ther MUST be outsiders <br></li></ol> <br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>