<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM, <<a href="mailto:T613K@aol.com">T613K@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font style="background-color: transparent;" size="2" color="#000000" face="Arial">From: "Richard Wolpoe" <a href="mailto:rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com" target="_blank">rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com</a><div class="Ih2E3d">
<br></div></font></div></div></div><div><font style="background-color: transparent;" size="2" color="#000000" face="Arial"><br>Thank you for that information. Now please
remind me again in what context his name came up -- someone shunned him under
the principle of austritt? Who and why?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial" lang="0"><br><b>--Toby Katz<br></b></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br> </div></div>When Rabbi Nobel was nifta in 1922r, Rav Samson Breuer - Hirsch's successor - would not even mention his name re; the petira. The story is in the Breuer Bio. It shows to what extent Asutritt went., <br>
<br>If you look at posqim you wil see that for MOST aveiros all is forgiven by death. Even in Deatrh rabbi Nobel was being shunned.<br><br>Yes and geminder schechita was NOT allowed for Asutritt communites. And today, officals of KAJ may not eat in OU only Glatt establishments.<br>
<br>===================================================================<br>As for your other point about C or R rabbis gaining legiticmacy, the Yeshiva o hartford made ALL local rabbis viz. O/C/R as honorary board members even though it as a troah Umersoarh schol [founded in 1939} and people Like R. Shraga Feilb Mendlovich etc. were involed in itas well as Dr. Joe Kamenetsky later on. Was this conferring "legitimacy" for those rabbis? It is kind hard to say that. It wwas a communiyt school but the tents of the charter wer 100% Orthodo.x they did hire a C rabbi to teach some Hebrew language classes.<br>
<br>The plit came later when a new generation C rabbi founded Solmon Shechter schoo,. The nthe C rabbis broke with the Ortho Day Schoo. Ironically some R rabbis were still mildly supportive and the daughter-in-law of a major R rabbi was exectuive director of the schol for a while<br>
<br>I don't think anyone considered this as conferring legitimacy to the C or R shtia, jsut that the rabbis were leaders of the community to paraphrase Norman Lamm's rejoinder to the Jewish Observer, much like heads of Jewish Boy Scout Troops.<br>
. <br>And as even Hirsch learned. Asutritt did NOT work in small communites. It was workable in Berlin and Frankfort. It is noteworthy that Hildesheimer DID have Austritt in Berlin but he was far moe liberal in how he applied it. But Rabbi Nobel, seems to have rejected it when he took the Gemeinder position in Frankfort..<br>
<br>any Jews from communites like Albany or Syracuse or new London or Norwich or Wrocester mass. etc would probably find Austritt and impossiblity, but one RW rabbincal borther DID ull it off in a small town, but he had a small minyan with virutally zero outreach.<br>
<br><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>