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<DIV>In a message dated 7/11/2008, rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: You have also alluded in the past to particular policy
battles fought between Breuer's and YU. While my sympathies are mainly
with Breuer's, I have not seen in practice, and certainly not in my father's
life, a blanket rejection of YU outside of that localized community
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><BR>RRW: When I was at Ner Israel I heard all
kinds of negative comments re: YU and RYBS was never quoted as a
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>TK: The RW world had serious differences of opinion
with RYBS. He chose to go his own way. If you were at my house you
would also hear negative things about YU and positive things as well. To
reiterate what I said, I have not seen in practice a *blanket* rejection of
YU. My father, for example, would not enter a C or R temple but WOULD
enter a shul with a YU rabbi. Would even shake the man's hand, and if
he was a boyhood friend and classmate, he might even embrace the man! Oh
yes, now I remember -- he had smicha from YU himself! And he even worked
there for two years (two separate years in different decades)! This would
seem to give him some standing to criticize what he didn't like there as well as
to praise what he did like. Oh I just remembered something else -- my
father had dozens of close personal friends who were YU musmachim! Fancy
that.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>You define austritt as the shunning of fellow-Orthodox
Jews and rabbis. I don't define it that way. It doesn't matter how
it was historically defined in Frankfurt or even in KAJ (where recently YU
rabbis have even been spotted on the dais at public events).</DIV>
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<DIV>RRW: >>Meetings at secular events [NOT AT A SEDER] with
non-O clergy does not confer legitimacy. This is an old battle and is
obsolete. It only confers de facto reality no more than their being a shul
president or to non-Jewish Clergy. Fro example at Soviet Jewry Rallies
non-Jewish clergy spoke and so did non-O Rabbis. Does not mean that we can
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<DIV>TK: Such meetings DO confer legitimacy and give C and R Jews
"permission" to take their own rabbis seriously. It is not WE Orthodox
Jews who are in danger of being misled and who might therefore ride to shul next
Shabbos -- it is our C and R brethren who are in danger.
They totally do believe that if the "rabbi" says you can drive on Shabbos
-- then you can. They totally do NOT understand that they are doing
something against the halacha -- the C Jews believe that their poskim PERMIT
driving on Shabbos. It is not at all clear in their eyes that their rabbis
are no rabbis -- and that is OUR fault. We Orthodox Jews have shirked our
responsibility to our brethren, to our fellow Jews who are being sold patent
medicine by charlatans.</DIV>
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