<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, <a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a> <<a href="mailto:kennethgmiller@juno.com">kennethgmiller@juno.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">R' Eli Turkel wrote:<br>
> A ring is shveh kesef, not actual kesef. You could be<br>
> mekadesh just as easily with a can of baked beans. But<br>
> perhaps not with fiat money.<br>
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I honestly don't see why fiat money is less of a shaveh kesef than baked beans.<br>
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On the contrary, I could easily make a kal vachomer: Just as one can be mekadesh with baked beans (which some people might decline), certainly one can be mekadesh with fiat money (which no one would decline).<br>
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Akiva Miller<br>
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_</blockquote></div><br><br>As I posted today's kitzur [145] rejects banknotes for pidyon habein, but aiui excepts shava kessef. You can do the hair splits.<br><br>Remember if I tear up a shtar chov I do NOT tear up the Chov, only the Evidence of a Chov. The Chov is still there and the only damage is that I destoyed a document that makes things convenient.<br>
<br>Now I am not saying fiat money is 100% the same as a shtar chov but it is certainly not 100% the same as tangible kessef/silver or mamon. Fiat money is a bit of a gray area, I don't find it to be blakc and white nor do I find the debate nonsensical. <br>
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