<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">audience.<br>
<br>
</div>... or that they didn't have audiences, and therefore no one even<br>
existed in order to have a problem.<br>
<br>
:-)BBii!<br>
-Micha<br>
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--</font></blockquote></div><br>It is obvious from the Gmara that Audiences are a pre-suppostion. That is my point<br>Furthermore the gmara states that a witness MAY not testify w/o an auftu because eif he fails to effect anything he is merely motzi shiem ra. This clearly indicates that if he CAN effect something he msut tesfity and the audicen is nto construed as hearing LH.<br>
<br>That is mashma behedya if you will. Why I don't know. But if a witness were testifying in total secret [in camera] then what's the motzi sheim ra - to the dayynim? They're not suppose to believe him anyway.<br>
-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>