<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Samuel Svarc <<a href="mailto:ssvarc@yeshivanet.com">ssvarc@yeshivanet.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">> From: Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>><br>
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> How does this argument exclude R (or, as RRW pointed out, even<br>
> non-Austritt O), but not Schiller?<br>
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</div>Because reading Schiller doesn't dispute the supremacy of Torah, while the<br>
other two do.<br>
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KT,<br>
MSS<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br>Dislaimer, I am in NO way questioning RSRH's decision inf 19th Cnetruy Frankfort nor do I think the Wurzburger RAv should have medllled in a local affair. I am merely adressing our society here and now:<br>
I still don't get it.<br><br><ol><li>if one can filter society in order to use TIDE on Genral Culture why can't this same filter helpe with non-Observant communties with in Judaism? Rabbi Mei'ri di it! Who says that this is diffcicult? IF it is OK to confront Yaphet why not some imperfcect Sheimim? And didn't NCSY evolve out of looking at USY for alterantive ideas of what to do? </li>
<li>Austritt at KAJ implies that no offical of the kehillah may dine at an OU Glatt hotel or restaurant.<br></li><li>Working with Non-O's does not necesarrily convery any legitimacy. {see below] The Red Sox come to Yankee Stadium, does any Yankee Fan have anyDesire to Ausrtitt the hated enemy by not letting him to play in the very Holy of Holies that is Yankee STadium! And to do so w/o any fear that one will confuse the visting grays with the hometown pinstripes. I don't see how joining the Bosox on the field confers legitimacy to them. True when the lines were not drawn things wer differnt. This is no longer the case anyomre. </li>
<li>Austritt has brought out such convoluted siutations such that two noted Roshei Yeshiva who were "buddies" in Poland [either roommates of havrusas I forget which] - and then lived lived about 0.5 a miles away from each other in the USA - but would not even talk to each other merely because of Asutritt. Is Austritt a frontal asault on eilu v'eilu? Beth Hillell and Beth Shammai got along much better even over the issue of Mamzeirus mamash.</li>
<li>In the post Holocaust world it is realyl troubling to see that we can jsut forget about how precarious a situation we have as a people?</li><li>Didn't the deaths Talmidei R. Akiva teach us a bit about the danger of lack of mutual respect? {at least between AAsustritt O's and non-Asutritt O's]<br>
</li><li>No Ta''anis Tzibbur can esit without a Rasha. It seems taht trhowing Resha'im out is a new idae. At the Seder we remonstrate wtih them, but we don't evict them. Aderabbah, the fact that the rash ais at the seder says sometihng about "aggadic hashkafa" as Micha would say. Is having the Rasha at the Seder legitimziing his life-style? we let him join in and if he geahves we don't even start up with him, only when he brings up leitzanus we push back.<br clear="all">
</li></ol><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>