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size=2>From: "Richard Wolpoe" <A
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size=2>RRW: >> And didn't NCSY evolve out<BR> of
looking at USY for alternative ideas of what to do?<<</FONT></DIV><FONT
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size=2>TK: No, I don't believe so. My father was one of the founders
of NCSY in the fifties. But let's say theoretically that some C
congregation came up with a good idea -- like, say, a way to save money on air
conditioning. What would be the austritt objection to copying that
idea? Hirsch gave sermons and wrote books in German. Is there a
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<DIV>RRW: >> 3. Working with Non-O's does not
necessarily convey any legitimacy. {see<BR> below] The Red Sox
come to Yankee Stadium, does any Yankee Fan have<BR> any desire to
Ausrtitt the hated enemy by not letting him to play in
the<BR> very Holy of Holies that is Yankee Stadium!
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<DIV>TK: This is a particularly ill-chosen analogy since it does imply
that O and C are just two different home teams, eilu ve'elu. How about
having Yankee Stadium host a game between the Yankees and the Nuclear Weapons
Engineers of Iran? That would be a better analogy.</DIV>
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<DIV>RRW: >> 4. Austritt has brought out such convoluted
situations such that two<BR> noted Roshei Yeshiva who were
"buddies" in Poland [either roommates of<BR> havrusas I forget
which] - and then lived about 0.5 a miles away from<BR> each other
in the USA - but would not even talk to each other merely
because<BR> of Austritt. Is Austritt a frontal assault on eilu
v'eilu? <<</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: You have a specialized historical knowledge of particular situations in
the past which may or may not have been justified but have nothing to do with
the proper policy to be followed today by religious Jews.</DIV>
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<DIV> RRW: >> 6. Didn't the deaths Talmidei R.
Akiva teach us a bit about the danger of<BR> lack of mutual respect?
{at least between Austritt O's and non-Austritt<BR>
O's]<<</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: This is no longer an issue. Re-fighting old historical
battles is of interest, perhaps, to scholars of history. The only
practical issue today is whether O Jews should treat C and R as in
some way legitimate "streams" of Judaism.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR> RRW: >> 7. No Ta'anis Tzibbur can exist without
a Rasha. It seems that throwing<BR> Resha'im out is a new idea.
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<DIV>TK: Again, you seem to be rehashing old historical battles. In
today's world no Orthodox synagogue will refuse to seat a non-observant Jew (and
most non-observant Jews are not, in any case, reshaim). </DIV>
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<DIV>RRW: >>At the Seder we remonstrate with them, but
we<BR> don't evict them. <<</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: We knock them on the teeth. Works for me.</DIV>
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<DIV>RRW: >> Is having the Rasha<BR> at the Seder
legitimizing his life-style? we let him join in and if he<BR>
geahves we don't even start up with him, only when he brings up leitzanus
we<BR> push back.<<</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: Again you are fighting old battles, from Frankfurt and maybe from
old Washington Heights, that I am not qualified to fight. All I know
is that in today's world the advocates of austritt welcome non-frum Jews to
their sedarim with open arms. But a joint seder led by an O and a C rabbi,
or an O seder in a C sanctuary, would be a horrible idea, against the
halacha and very harmful from a public policy point of view.</DIV>
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<DIV>You have also alluded in the past to particular policy battles fought
between Breuer's and YU. While my sympathies are mainly with Breuer's, I
have not seen in practice, and certainly not in my father's life, a blanket
rejection of YU outside of that localized community tension. I note that
many products nowadays have both a KAJ and an OU on the label so I guess that
particular fight is over -- as there is a close association between YU and
the OU (many or most OU rabbanim having smicha from YU). Of course there
will continue to be areas of serious hashkafic
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