<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Zev Sero <<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Paper Money is like pre-written checks. It has no intrinsic value, other than the paper and the artwork, etc.<br>
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That is one possible way to see things (though as above, not for<br>
hilchot muktzeh). But the fact is that it's not like a cheque; it<br>
does have intrinsic value, if only by the government's fiat.<br>
A cheque is not money, it's merely a promise to pay money; and that<br>
promise can be cancelled. A note or a coin makes no sort of promise<br>
at all; if you present a $10 note to the Treasury, all they'll give<br>
you for it is two $5s. Its value comes from the fact that the law<br>
says that if you give it to your creditor the debts are cancelled,<br>
and from the fact that everybody agrees to accept it. The question<br>
is to what extent halacha takes notice of this.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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Zev Sero </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br>In Golden Acres the yused to sell "shabbos scrip" to "buy things on Shabbos [like extgra wine or pay for a baby sittter] The scrip was NOT legal tender but it was equivalent to legal tender<br>
<br>From a strictly puritanical vewi once the US governmetn stopped paying gold or silver for paper miny it is ARGUABKLE that all w have is US Scrip instead of Golden Acres Scrip. <br><br>Coins are different, albeit they have little intrinsic value nowdays either.<br>
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But I have questioned whether $10.00 of our paper money as really being worth more than the $5.00 Hallah.<br></div><br>
Since the basis of muktzeh is how people regard things, the $10 note<br>
is certainly worth more *to its owner* than the $5 challah.<br></blockquote></blockquote>
Is a shtar chovvv [in other words an IOU or p[romissory note] with $10.00 face-value really muktzeh on Shabbos? It may be assur to read as "shitrei hedyotos" but is it really muktzeh? <br><br>If TODAY"S US money - no longer back by gold/silver is ONLY a promissory note - then it might not even be muktzeh at all<br>
-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>