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size=2><BR>>>A question for Avodah -- were Austritt and TiDE inextricably
linked as<BR>one overall hashkafah? Or can one agree with RSRH on TiDE but
relegate<BR>Austritt to a time when R was in rapid growth and a challenge to
O?<<<BR><BR>Tir'u baTov!<BR>-Micha<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>>>>>><BR>If you are asking whether austritt was a hora'as
sha'ah -- no, I really don't think so.</DIV>
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<DIV>The T in TIDE is uncompromising, a steadfast devotion to Torah that
brooks no compromises with any non-Torah movement that dares to arrogate to
itself the word "Judaism."</DIV>
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<DIV>If you are asking whether austritt would be the correct approach to the
modern-day Medinah -- a la those Neturei Karta who refuse even to purchase
Israeli postage stamps -- my personal opinion is that Hirsch would have done
what 99% of charedi leaders do, which is to accept the fact of a government
which must be dealt with because there is no realistic alternative. </DIV>
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<DIV>I also believe that he would have seen the events of the 20th century in
E'Y as a mixture of ohr vechoshech mishtamshim be'irbuvya, not purely the
work of the Satan -- that he would have seen the many positive developments
as a bracha from Hashem and a sign of His continuing love of His people,
"metzitz min hacharakim."</DIV>
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<DIV>I admit that that whole last paragraph has no source other than my gut
feeling, based on the emanations of penumbras from the corpus of Hirsch's
writings.</DIV></DIV>
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PTSIZE="10"></B>President Reagan talked with the Soviets while pushing ahead
with the deployment of Cruise and Pershing missiles in Europe. He spoke softly —
after getting himself a bigger stick. --Mark Steyn</FONT><FONT lang=0
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