<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Arie Folger <<a href="mailto:afolger@aishdas.org">afolger@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">RRW wrote:<br>
> And to think about it, Olei Regel from Bavel, would THEY observe YT Sheini?<br>
> I kinda doubt it . It seems logical to say that once in the prcincts of EY<br>
> the s'feika deyoma is not operative. But I do concede that the poskim<br>
> seemed to have ignored this principle.<br>
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</div>The statement re: YT2 shel galuyot that hizharu beminhag avoteikhem only<br>
appeared long after the 'hurban, hence the question could not have been asked<br>
on a practical level. May it however soon be, soon, bimheirah beyamenu.<br>
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KT, GS,<br>
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Arie Folger<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br>It still makes little sense to me<br>the Minhag Avos HAD to be established at SOME point! <br>Mah nafsach:<br><ol><li>If the Minahg goes back to the era of Olei Regel [which may or may not have ended with the hurban] then my original point makes sense.</li>
<li>If the Minhag is only AFTER olay regel then we CERTAINLY cannot prove anything about sojourners in Israel during YT one way or the other!</li></ol>I am really not trying to score points here. I just find the justifications quite dachuk and problematic and I am sharing with you how that is. BH i am not alone, bseids teh hacham Zvi there are many others who share these doubts re: the consturction of "nos'nim alav humra" of both places IN THIS SCENARIO.<br>
<br>ASIS the principle simply is not applicable when the entire minhag is predicated upon place to being with. It's not like in Gallil they worked erev YT etc. Thsi is NOT a minhag hamakom! It is a Minhag predicated upon location for those with s'feika deyoma EXCEPT for those who hold like the Rambam that this is a brand new Takkanh/Gzeira regardless of the minhag - a position rejected by most pos'kim <br>
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>