<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:16:20PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>
: Interesting. I overheard 2 rabbis from a local Yeshiva high school who were<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">: registering a phone in the dorm as a home phone even though it was an<br>
: institutional phone and I questioned the eh tics of this.<br>
</div>: I asked my own LOR...<br>
: He said NO it is not G'nievas Da'as it is MAMASH G'neiva. It's like an a<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">: adult buying a child's discounted ticket by lying about one's age.<br>
<br>
</div>Except that few telephones are per minute anymore. At least on home<br>
contracts, all local calls are included.<br>
<br>
So, perhaps the mechanchim weren't being so evil.<br>
<br>
Instead, it's a zeh neheneh vezeh lo chaseir where the nachri (the phone<br>
company) is the lo chaseir.<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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Micha Berger <br></font></blockquote></div><br>it wasn't a matter of minutes. It was "business" or "Institutional" rate versus "personal" rate. The ethics of the phone company were not in question. The phone company charges a certain "commerical" rate and the yeshiva registered this as a private residence, which it was not. I think when I discussed this with my LOR he, too, was aware of ways to be melameid zechus <br>
Somtimes the "frum" community is simply in a state of denial and is not willing to be modeh al ho'emese. Rav Schwab Z"L:gave talks about this. Was he the only one percptive enought to see this? And now that he is gone, does tht mean honesty is gone from us, too? Will we ALWAYS be able to give excuses instead of playing straight? <br>
<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>