<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Getting to the tangent...<br>
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When dealing with kiruv or chinukh, it gets more complicated. The<br>
aveirah changes the eikhus of what's being taught. The mitzvah<br>
and aveirah aren't seperable, one is watering the other down.<br>
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The rest of my response would involve arguing against the idea that the<br>
metzi'us was that these people couldn't be reached any other way. Off<br>
topic.<br>
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The case of the hug is also entangled. Arguably the comfort is the very<br>
chibah which is the issur. Your "chessed" is (as already pointed out by<br>
others) arguably lifnei iveir or mesayei'ah and not a chessed at all.<br>
A more extreme case: making someone feel good by serving them the chazer<br>
they're dying for.<br>
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Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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Micha </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br>And so is dancing/clapping/slapping on Shabbat or YT to honor the Torah[ etc.]<br>an ADL OR a MHB? --smile--<br><br>[to me it's a p'suil in the heftzah just like Sha'uls disobedience of HKBH was a p'sul in all of the animals from Amaleik that he rescued and therefore their asacrifice was a MHB]<br>
<br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>