<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 02:54:03PM -0600, Daniel Israel wrote:<br>
: Your mother can say no.<br>
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: Mi manafsach. Making the request is either implying bechira, which<br>
: is AZ, or making a request from something incapable of being<br>
: effected by your request, which seems like shtus.<br>
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</div>Why is assuming that mal'akhim have bechirah more AZ than assuming<br>
people do and asking them?Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br></blockquote></blockquote><div><br>The premise aiui is that believing that mal'achim have independent power is a form of kefira itself even if ou do NOT avail yourself of their attributed powers! Almost like saying someone accepts "shituf" but goes to the Top of the Pantheon. Lemashal a Greek who davens ONLY to Zeus but acknolwedges that Mercury as messenger has independence.<br>
<br>OTOH it would seem to be to be kosher afaik if one were to daven to HKBH and ask:<br>"Please send Repha'el to heal me."<br><br>
</div></div><br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>