<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, <<a href="mailto:T613K@aol.com">T613K@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>In Avodah Digest, Vol 25, Issue 108 dated 3/25/2008 Arie Folger <a href="mailto:afolger@aishdas.org" target="_blank">afolger@aishdas.org</a> writes:</div></div></div><br><div>When we say, "Borchuni lesholom, malachei hasholom" we are NOT davening to
the angels! </div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" lang="0" size="2"><b><br></b><br><b>--Toby
Katz<br>=============<br></b><br></font></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br><br>It seems that many conflate making a request from a Mal'ach with PRAYING to a mal'ach<br><br>This is a gray matter. if the mal'ach has ZERO bechira why even request from a mal'ach?<br>
<br>There are those who say that a mal'ach HAS bechira but merely lacks a yetzer horo. Then reuests [as opposed to prayers] are reasonable. If a mal'ach is a machine it is silly.<br><br>Imagine plugging in a vacuum cleaner and askig it to suck up some dirt. silly. There is no bechira. The correct request would be to HKBH, may my vacuum do its job well<br>
<br>This is simlar to machnisei Rachamim. No one is PRAYI(NG to them rather there is a request that they perform their job well on our behalf. This itself is a subject of controversy.<br><br>Example if I am e-mailing you it is silly to request that cyberspace/internet/world-wide-web speed my message to you, since after all it has no bechira. <br clear="all">
<br>OTOH I might utter a request of our esteemed moderator that he permit my message to go through to you!<br><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>