<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Also, when saying the third berakhah with the chazan, I take that to<br>
mean that if he closes birkhas qedushah with "Ledor vaDor", I should<br>
too.<br>
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SheTir'u baTov!<br>
-micha<br>
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Micha Berger </font></blockquote><div><br>Tangentially <br>People THINK that ledor vador is a speical nusach for hazaras hashatz and therefore hae a possible issue of following the shatz whilst saying the amidah together wtih him<br>
<br>BUT<br>the reality [99%] is that ledor vador is simply ANOTHER nuasach of v'ta kaddosh that by conventions is usually said only by the hazzan. So it would no be usurpin the Sthatz's role to say the alternatie nsuahc anymoore than it would be to say sim shalom instead of Shalom rav at a nusach sefard minyan. It is merely an alterante nusach issue<br>
<br>Ashkenazim tend to incorporate botth vrersoins at differing times<br>Sepaard tends to conflate e.g.:<br><ol><li>saying BOTH BishlmechaAND b'rov oz vshalmo [which are laternates]</li><li>Saying BOTH teflillas kol peh AND amcha yisreol berachmim which are laternates</li>
</ol>If ashkenaz had the 2 readings they would probably sya 1 at shacharis another at mincha at arvis etc.<br><br><br><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>