<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Jonathan Baker <<a href="mailto:jjbaker@panix.com">jjbaker@panix.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
From: "Richard Wolpoe" <<a href="mailto:rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com">rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com</a>><br>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > Music for the sake of music is more problematic. Not in and of itself;<br>
> > you're "speaking" with a fan of Baroque and Rhennaisance music, as well<br>
> > as some of New Age (if it isn't too muzak-y) and lately (I guess I'm<br>
> > getting older) some forms of Klezmer and Jazz. - Micha<br>
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> I am really puzzled by any issur of listening to music that 'soothes the<br>
> soul" even during aveilus. AISI, the issur of music during aveilus is the<br>
> kind of music that inspires one to get up and dance. The kind of music<br>
> [say the Goldberg variations] which were meant to help soothe an insomniac<br>
> is to me just like taking a form of "spiritual" medication. It's not for<br>
> enjoyment but for relaxation.<br>
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> I must confess legabi Sefirah the Aruch Hshulcan sees this as the opposite.<br>
> If dancing music is assur, instrumental music all the more so! WADR, I<br>
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> I have heard besheim RYBS that only music that caused one to get up and<br>
> dance [lich'ora even if one did not actually dance!] was the kind of music<br>
> that is assur.<br>
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Hm. I wonder if part of the difference is the social aspect?<font color="#888888"><br>
name: jon baker <br></font></blockquote><div> </div><div><br>RYBS makes the issue one of simcha meireiu's. This is a big chidush/shinuy from the gmara which construes this as simply reciprocal meals [see elu mgalchin]<br>
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That is, before recorded music, if you wanted to listen to music,<br>
you had to go someplace where musicians were playing: in the shuk<br>
for money, at a wedding, at a concert (if our Acharonim went to<br>
public concerts, as some are reputed to have been aficionadi of<br>
the opera). All those occasions have a social-lebedig aspect.</blockquote><div><br>My read is simple. If the music is an aspect of partying [such as with a s'udas eirusin] i COULD be problematic<br><br>OTOH if it is simply for relaxation it is not for "joy" and therefore OK<br>
<br>I discussed this hilluk with Rabbi E. Kanarfogel today at lucnh<br><br><ol><li>He was not sure how the Rav got simha meirius as a Halchic norm into aveilus from the Gmara</li><li>He thought my hilluk made sense [albet I am not saying he endorsed it for p'sak]</li>
<li>He would stil follow th Rav's take of private vs. public listening</li><li>Therefore R Kanarfoelg would have a probme attending a live Bach concert I see no concern - but if someone brought a guitar for kumsitz we would both have problems<br>
</li></ol><br></div></div>- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>