<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:39:57PM -0400, Richard Wolpoe wrote:<br>
: It is quite clear to me that [aftere reading the bio of Rabbiner Hirsch]that<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">: RSR Hirsch would NOT buy any sort of cognitive dissonance and I would<br>
: venture the GRA [and perhaps Rambam] would never accomodate this dichotomy<br>
</div>: between theory and practice...<br>
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I don't know. Didn't the Gra tell his talmidim to follow minhag avos<br>
and not change practice based on his shitos? E.g. didn't they say Barukh<br>
H' leOlam in his shul? (Of course, once he was niftar, things<br>
changed...)<br>
<br>
Tir'u baTov!<br>
-Micha<br>
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--</font></blockquote></div><br>Gut Gezogt. The Gra and RYBS [aiui] both told people NOT to change minhag avos based upon their understandings of Halachah. <br><br>Nevertheless, their understanding of Halacha seemed to follow more fundamentalistic texts than mimetics, and in the Gra's case he often overlooked Ashkenazic texts in favor of a better Talmudic read [e.g. 2 vs 3 matzos in which the Bei'ur hagra dismisses the Rosh based upon the Gmara, although the Rosh's requirement of 3 matzos is quite defensible imho]<br>
<br>You rarely see RYBS take out a Kitzur and say the altenativee POV has a solid basis, whilst the Siddur Tehilas Hshme DOES say so re: RBaruch hshem L'olam<br><br>Permit me to illustrate.<br>R. Maruice Lamm says [Jewish Way in Death and Mourning] there is NO good reason to wait a year for hakamas matzeiva. I do not know his sources but sounds like RYBS type of framing. While Yekkes do NOT wait a year, many DO have a minhag to wait and the Kitzur [amongst many] offer this option. The sevara is obvious, for during the year the kids mourn a matzeiva is not a necessary reminder. <br>
<br>IOW, the statement SOUNDS like the common mimetic practice is nonsense. What might have been better to say, that it is not absoultely necessary to wait a year because this Minhag is hardly universal.<br><br>Many of the statements quoted by Hassidim of the GRA or RYBS come off this way - imho. That if you do not see it their way, your viewpoint is flawed somehow. It does not feel like an eilu v'eilu approach.<br>
<br>Since the GRA/RYBS published little we are always stuck with quotes
from potential zealots who possibly have omitted a softer more
even-handed approach. <br><br>
When I was a teen, an NCSY'er from Boston led Shabbos Minhah and said
Sim Shalom in the Hazaras hashtaz - because the Rav said to do so -
even though it was NOT th minhag of that shul. Somehow, I doubt f a
kid came from West Hartford to Boston would have knowingly imposed HIS
minhag on a shul there.<br><br><br>The Rema- aisi -is less absolute. he might see this is the minhag and don't change it, but he does not say [or insinuate] that the alternative is somehow flawed.<br clear="all"><br>
-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>