<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Micha Berger <<a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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(Using TIDE loosely, as RSRH was vehemently and vociferously against<br>
Hildesheimer Seminary's use of Chokhmas Yisrael (O Wissenschaft), and<br>
Hildesheimer's preached vehemently against Austritt.)<br>
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SheTir'u baTov!<br>
-micha<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>I don't know the source for this statement -can it be provided?<br>Accordgin to the Klugman Bio of Rabbiner Hirsch:<br><br><ol><li>Hirsch - kept his council [iow his opposition to Wissenshaft inBerlin] quiet</li>
<li>Hildesheimer WAS an Austritt Community! </li><li>Hildesheimer spoke at RSRH's levaya </li></ol>What IS true - and I have expeirenced this in a derivative form myslef<br>is that Fnakfort had a very RIGID, STRICT view of Austritt while Berlin was more loose and liberal about it.<br>
<br>A native of Frnakfort confided to me months before his passing:<br>"When I met religous members of the Geminde Orthodox while on vacation - who could learn Gmera was well as anyone- I realived that Austritt was wrong..."<br>
<br>The problem with Austritt - aisi -was not the exlclusoin of Reform - but what I call Austritt Sqauared - the exclusion of any Orthodox that still dealt with Reform.<br><br>IOW, Austritt meant the shunning of Ortho'x [such as Yu/RCA types] who had ANY dealings with non-Ortho's. This iswhat I call Austritt to the 2nd power, not only are Reform our enemies, but any Ortho that does not demonize Reform is my enemy. That caused a rift amongst Orthodoxy that still plays out today. <br>
<br>Hildeshiemer was against having rifts. [caveat: That does not mean that EVERYTHING they did was perfect!] Just that darchei Shalom amongst fellow Ortho'x seeems to be me more important. At any rate. Herr HItler Yimach shemo ended all Austrit by convincing ALL Jews in Germanyt hat they had common cause. Jsut like it took Haman to give more Mussar than nevi'im, Hilter taught German Jews how to get along after decades of squabling and quibbling.<br>
<br><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a>