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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi, Toby, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You wrote: “</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>it shows a lack of kovod Shabbos to eat milchigs for Shabbos lunch”</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But what is the halachic standard for “kavod
shabbos”? Is meat—any kind of meat—the standard?
How about meatloaf? Is that better than herb-crusted whitefish, with
lemon caper sauce and pasta? Would hamburger meet your kavod-dik
standard where grilled salmon would fail? Is chicken pot pie ok? I
am not such a learned person, and please correct me if I am wrong, but I would
be surprised if you could anywhere in the Shulchan Arukh where it says that only
roast chicken and/or brisket can bring kavod to the Shabbat table.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, is it kavod-dik to stuff yourself
with chicken and brisket, when all that your body needs/wants is a piece of
gefillte fish and challah? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Food doesn’t make the Shabbat table
a shulchan and kavod is not brought to the table by the food. Rather, I
believe it is the attitude of the people at the table and what they say when
they are there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kol tuv, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>//Avi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Avram Sacks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Chicago</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The halachic question of heating
mac-n-cheese on Shabbos I leave to others. If you make kiddush when you
get home from shul and have a cup of coffee, and if you want mac-n-cheese with
your coffee instead of a Danish, that's your preference and your oneg.
(Incomprehensible preference to me but never mind.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>However I want to make a different
point. There is an issue of kovod Shabbos. Unless you are a
vegetarian and /never/ eat fleishigs, it shows a lack of kovod Shabbos to eat
milchigs for Shabbos lunch. /Maybe/ you could get away with something
very chashuv -- salmon and brie? -- but really it should be basar vedagim
vechol mat'amim. I say this as a person who prefers milchigs and comes
from a milchig kind of family. But never would we have had a milchig meal
on Shabbos (well, sholosh seudos OK). It would have been considered
distinctly not-Shabbosdig, like wearing a T-shirt and denim. We
could easily go a whole week without eating fleishigs, but Shabbos meals must
be fleishig. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We were once guests of people who served
milchigs for a yom tov lunch (not Shavuos) -- much to our surprise. I
would have been much too shy to say anything, but my husband asked the hostess
if she had a piece of cold chicken in the fridge or something else
fleishig he could eat.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ever since then when we get invited out
for a meal, my husband always tells me to make sure they're serving
fleishigs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>--Toby Katz</span></b></span></font><font
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