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<DIV>In a message dated 2/14/2008, Avram.Sacks@wolterskluwer.com writes:</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">it shows a lack of
kovod Shabbos to eat milchigs for Shabbos lunch”</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">>>But what is
the halachic standard for “kavod shabbos”? Is meat—any kind of meat—the
standard? .... I would be surprised if you could anywhere in the Shulchan
Arukh where it says that only roast chicken and/or brisket can bring kavod to
the Shabbat table. ....<FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, is it kavod-dik
to stuff yourself with chicken and brisket, when all that your body
needs/wants is a piece of gefillte fish and challah?
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<DIV>The standard is basar vedagim. If there is not some kind of fish AND
some kind of meat, your Shabbos meal is lacking. The fish can be herring
from a jar, or tuna salad, though the gold standard is gefilte fish. The
meat at lunch can be cold chicken (thanks to Chazal who were kind enough to
make chicken fleishig, for this very purpose). Or the meat can be cold
cuts. The gold standard is cholent. The hot food shows that you are
not a Sadducee or a Karaite.</DIV>
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<DIV>Because I am a milchig kind of person and not always so very hungry at
Shabbos lunch, I sometimes fudge and just eat the gefilte fish and challa, not
actually eating any meat but telling myself that I was yotzei because I at least
put meat on the table (cold cuts, even) and my husband and kids had meat.
I also fudge with the cholent because in the Florida climate I don't always feel
like making cholent, so I tell myself that a cup of hot tea after lunch is also
proof we are not Tzadokim. Also there is often cholent in shul, if there's
a kiddush.</DIV>
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<DIV>It is interesting to me how the milchig - vs - fleishig Shabbos meal is
another one of those sociological things that fall along a LW-RW Orthodox
divide. An entire list of such items would make for an interesting PhD
thesis. The general tendency (although there are many exceptions on both
sides of the "divide") is for RW Orthodoxy to be more formal, LW more
informal.<FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"><B><BR></B><BR><B>--Toby
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