<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 27, 2008 1:19 PM, Richard Wolberg <<a href="mailto:cantorwolberg@cox.net">cantorwolberg@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
R' Micha wrote: By turning to the Borei one changes the factors that<br>go into His<br>decision.<br><br>I understand the many answers given to: If God knows the future where<br>is man's free will?</blockquote><div>
<br>As part of the Tzimtzum [self-contraction] perhaps God does not CHOOSE to foresee the future <br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
But how would you respond to "If God is omniscient<br>(and of course, knows the future), then how can His mind be changed?</blockquote><div><br>Perhaps God's deicsions are by defintion conditional<br>I will sdestroy sodom UNLESS I finx x number of righteous people etc. <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>In other words, God knows what His decisions will be, so it's almost<br>an oxymoron to say that your prayers may change His decision.</blockquote>
<div><br>Perhaps as Above God is Omniscient but HE is not forced to use HIM Omniscience in order to make room fro free will. <br><br>God - in order to make space for Human Free Will Limits His own omniscience.<br>IOW jsut becasue God is all-powerful does not mean He exercises that power.<br>
<br><br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> If you<br>maintain that they may change His Mind, then His Mind had already been<br>
made up to change.</blockquote><div><br>Or as above, every deicsion is contingent<br>E.G. If my kid does not come up with a good explanation I will punish him for being late. and then when the kid explains why he/she is late, the punishemnt is averred because of the conditional nature of the ultimatum.<br>
<br>So Perhaps in a way God is talking in shorthand. As He becons Avraham re: Sodom or Moshe re: the Israelites at the masecha, an implicit condtion always exists <br><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>Gut voch and gut luck (in responding to my impossible question).<br>ri<br>______</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kol Tuv / Best Regards,<br><a href="mailto:RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com">RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com</a><br>
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